Below are notes from Jay Blain, UEA, and Cindy Carroll, Jordan UniServ from the meeting with Senator Osmond last night. It was inspiring to see the support of UEA members from Davis to Provo and from Tooele to Park City.
I spoke with Senator Osmond after the meeting. I thanked him for being willing to listen, told him teachers felt heard, and that if wanted to win over the teachers, he would need to make changes to these proposals so that they will not hurt teachers. He said he understands that his actions are going to be the proof teachers need to stand behind him.
Please see the previous post and go to his blog post to make comments publicly. He is also open to e-mails at
aosmond@utahsenate.org.
Notes:
5:30 – 6:30 by invitation only
Senator Osmond stated that the purpose is to get input about
the impact before we get into the session.
Clearly there is a feeling of antagonism, we need a partnership, and we
need to collaborate. Superintendent Shumway
cited the State of the Union address, “We need to quit making excuses for
ineffective teachers.” He repeated the 3
principles behind the bill. He also used
a landlord tenant analogy mostly to explain the requirement for notice when not
renewing a contract.
Question: Why do we have 3 year for administrators and 5
year limits for teachers if we are asking administrators to make the tough
decisions to terminate people? This will
make it difficult to attract and retain administrators. Also, wouldn’t people just wait for the next
principal? Shouldn’t local boards set
the lengths?
Who works harder than someone else? Teachers are about doing what is best for
kids. Larry Shumway, maybe it is
possible to go beyond student achievement.
When we evaluate achievement, whose achievement do we evaluate,
student’s or teacher’s? Many technical
issues to overcome. Senator Osmond,
there is a complexness to the collaborative issue that needs to be
understood. We need to address the
personal resources that are spent above and beyond time.
Star Orullian described the great relationship and
partnership GEA has with Granite School District in remediating and even
dismissing struggling teachers. She is
concerned about funding for performance pay especially with other items that
are being discussed by Education Interim committee, like tuition tax
credits.
How is this legislation sending a message that we care about
kids? It is sending the wrong message to
students that we are trying to recruit to the state as teachers. I don’t want to work with an ineffective
teacher.
Mike Fraser, Assistant Superintendent from Granite District,
backs up what Star Orullian said about partnership with Association. Granite terminates between 33-60 teachers
each year. Why would we pass legislation
to devalue teachers who work so hard to recruit? Not so long ago we were scratching to recruit
any teacher we could. We try to save
them but if we can’t, we cut them loose!
Account was given of collaboration summit with
Superintendent, School Board President, and Association President and it was
very positive. It will be very hard to
follow through with it if their hands are tied and it would be a tragedy to
backwards because of this legislation.
It is important to trust the experts.
Tom Nedreberg from Tintic reported that his small district
let go of 1 or 2 educators over the past couple of years. In a small district it is very disruptive to
have an ineffective teacher so they deal with it. He recounted an incident of an administrator
that ‘went after’ a bus driver inappropriately and a $220,000 suit ensued.
Why would the state stipulate so much? Let the locals work it out. This teacher is concerned about situations
when choosing between coaching situations.
Will performance pay push people way beyond contract limits when some
may have family obligations and other such things that prohibit them from doing
such things? Is teaching going to be a
career anymore?
Senator Osmond repeated that his goal is to seek local
control and to decentralize.
Vice-President of Murray board, complimented Senator on
being here, she is a nurse and she said that it is easier to get rid of a bad
teacher than a bad nurse.
McKell Withers, Superintendent of SLCSD, said there no
direct line in this legislation to what is good for kids or nothing helpful to
get rid of bad teachers. Could be
limiting in obtaining federal grants.
Would there be a tendency to just let a marginal teacher ride to the end
of a contract term with no intervention to help the teacher improve?
Concern about the state board creating models for salary
schedules. This is not local control.
Annette Brinkman, GSD, asked, “Are the tools and knowledge
there to help teachers and train administrators? YES, it can be done.”
7:00 open public meeting (about 500 in attendance)
Educators, parents and
support professionals filled the Granite District Office board room over
capacity with overflow into the hallway.
Attendees were here to listen to Senator Aaron Osmond and Superintendent
Larry Shumway answer questions about their proposed Public Education Reform
legislation.
Senator Osmond opened the meeting to say that he and Superintendent Shumway
were actually here to listen to the public. Osmond assured teachers that he
knows they have not felt heard and that, overtime, they have been frustrated
and have felt attacked by the Legislature as a profession and collective body.
He also understands that today’s teachers no longer recommend this
profession to future teachers.
Osmond expressed genuine
interest in understanding "your [educators’] world". He said
that the “time has passed for antagonism, rhetoric and contention. It is now time to work together: educators,
union leaders, state board and legislature to help our kids.”
Osmond took ownership
that the legislation he is sponsoring is “other than what he is saying about
support”, however, he will listen to concerns and act prior to taking this
legislation to his colleagues for consideration. He is not here tonight
to tell us what he is "going to do" but, rather to hear and take our
concerns to the legislature. That is his goal.
Format: comments
to 1.5 minutes. Ask a question or express feelings.
Comments:
- Getting rid of professionalism causes
teachers to be a “1099 employee.” No ability to contest wrongful
termination or have due process. If teachers are put "under
tow" the rest of the state employees will follow.
- Alpine teacher: How will performance pay be
equitable for elective classes? How is this plan different from other
plans that have been tried and failed?
- Class size is an issue. 100% of this teacher’s students
passed CRTs in a low-income school. “I am successful but this legislation
makes me question why I am working in Utah.” Worry about low-level
kids.
- Dan Rozanas, Alta High:
Appreciates the openness of the Senator in welcoming teachers. Why
does the Legislature, who say they believe in the importance of science in
education, not look at research? In his research, he has found no
evidence that proves that collective bargaining is bad for education. If
you are saying you are here to help, I don't understand why this
legislation is being considered?
- Baffled by the fact that we can't have collective
bargaining. We have the right to assemble and unionize common ideas.
I’m asking; Senator, why can't "we" have representation?
Do not take away my basic rights. I am angry. Lower class sizes will
help get test scores up. I remember who passes legislation that helps and
hurts education.
- Brenda- 37 year teacher - breaks her heart to see
what's happening. My daughter is a teacher and I have told her not
to come to Utah to teach.
- 30 year educator: This proposed legislation is
egregious on many levels and volunteers his voice. Has a son in his junior
year at U of U to become a teacher. He is looking at this legislation and
is changing his mind about becoming an educator. Bright teachers
will be lost. Trying to impose a business model on education won’t
work. If it did, children would then become nothing more than commodities
at a manufacturing plant.
- Jordan High - 15 year teacher – as a career educator,
this legislation will force him to choosing 5% of salary or to have
collective bargaining rights. Loss of orderly termination will cause
subjective firing and this will hurt qualification of educators in the
URS. The bill also mandates to local school boards - taking away
local control.
- Shawn Evanson – Canyons School District – told his story
as a first year teacher who told a student to "quit acting silly.”
The parent heard later from the student "that teacher called me
stupid" he fought potential termination as a provisional
teachers. Now, 96% of his science
class is testing proficient. I could have lost my job as a first year
teacher. This bill puts teachers in the face of politics.
- When did teachers become the enemy of society?
(mass applause) Why are we being blamed? Education starts in the
home with solid family support.
- I am not going to be blamed anymore for failure in the
home, Senator! (Shawn)
- Every year we have more hits.
- This room is full of resources to advise the senator on
his bill. This proposal is a distraction to positive education reform. We
know better than any legislature what education needs.
- Sue Dickey, retired teacher: this is the first time a
legislator has come in to listen to us, thank you.
- The Orderly Termination Act and the due process that
allows teachers to be removed from the profession with due process. Our association advocates support teachers in
this process and allow them to to leave the profession with dignity. If administrators are given time and tools to be strong leaders they would be able to evaluate and observe regularly.
- Salary should be under local control.
- Parent: first time speaking before a crowd. She “thanks
teachers and administration who serve our schools.” She is a teacher advocate and is so tired
of watching school teachers, principals and staff be bullied by the
legislature.
- Teachers can't choose who they teach.
- A teacher shared the diversity in her classroom,
including special needs students, students with difficult home lives,
suffering from death, parent imprisonment, students with behavior
disorders, etc. Her question; “Who
wants my job?”
Osmond shared the pervasive nature
that we are not meeting the needs of a global economy. How can we reinforce
local control? Should we create an environment of no expectation of continued
employment? He stated, “After listening, I get why
our bill will not get us where we want to go. We need to work in partnership to resolve our
problems.” Superintendent Shumway spoke
about performance pay. He said the
creation of a merit pay plan should be allowed on a local level and not on a
legislative level.
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Vice principal said he was “let go”
from a former district because he had not reached tenure. Is now very
successful in another district.
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Disabled teacher thanks the Granite
Education Association for the support she has received in her work and
classroom. She teaches World
History. She said, comparing the United
States to other nations is not equitable.
It is false that the US is falling behind other nations educationally. In other countries, schools choose who they
teach. The only choose the cream of the
crop – here in the U.S. we teach all children.
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Without collective bargaining then
voice of teachers is not heard. I am proud to be a teacher among so many who “talk
and walk” what they believe.
- Heidi Matthews, Park City educator: looking at your legislation from an
education model and what is missing is the objective of your bill, the end
game. She challenged the legislature to draft reform from an education
model and not a business model.
- Sandra Darrington: a 1st grade teacher,
advocates for children every day.
This legislation has the potential of asking a teacher to choose
between family and student. She shed tears for the art and love of
teaching.
- Bring back the honor in teaching.
- Connie Anderson, West High teacher and member of the
SLC school board. Put the focus on what a good teacher looks like and not on the bad.
- Legislating something just to see if it works is
backward. Use early retirement incentives to move senior teachers out of
the schools if career status is the issue.
- Patrick, bus driver in Canyons School District: How will you create performance pay for a
bus driver?
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Rebecca Bracken, Canyons
District: The more legislation that downgrades education,the less freedom teachers have and the less beneficial I am as a teacher. NCLB, hurts special need children.
I adopted four special needs children.
Her daughter at 14 years old made the statement that, under NCLB, “No one will want us.” The gifts that special needs children bring
are lost in the search for success and rigor.